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March 5, 2008

(This post is full of Tagalogs. Apologies to those who don’t speak that language. )

My good friend Jen started the idea of blogswarming. Well, I joined, but even though I did a photoshop and a pseudo-editorial artwork to express my disdain for GMA, I wasn’t too crazed about the idea of blogswarming. In fact I can say I’m skeptic.

I didn’t expect the idea would take off either, but now in just two weeks, Jen’s a superstar. Political bloggers from Pinoy’s blogging scene (lalalala J, did you raise eyebrows?) started to show support to Jen. An Inquirer article was published for Jen. MBW was spellbounded to Jen. My photoshopped work had been taken without my permission and without the mention of my moniker.

And along came the ill consequences. You know how it is with blogging, right? As long as someone posts something polemic, dissidents will come. Some dissidents have well-presented counter-arguments, but most others give you this feeling that they’re paid trolls/propagandists writing as commentators under anonymous guises. These trolls bully other’s blog by posting ad hominem repartees. Sometimes you really have to wonder about these zombies, about how they think. Their dumbness seriously rattle my brain so much that in my exposure to them, my outlook for human civilization dims further.

There’s one that’s been making decent blog-swarmers head bang tables. You might want to read how OUR "debate" went.

Click on more. I hate doing these "more" come-hithers, but this is too unstructured it looks ugly on my blog’s main page. And, uh, the tag is purely meant for parody.

Troll’s first words (in blockquotes), which you can skip because it’s incredibly boring. 

 

Troll: Referring to these sites: http://gmaresign.blogspot.com/ http://blacknwhitemovement.blogspot.com/
Sus, eto nanaman ang mga "e-mandirigma". This is so LAME. Walang mangyayari sa inyo hanggang INTERNET lang kayo. Kung gusto nyo mag rebolusyon dapat humawak kayo ng mga baril at lumusob sa malacanang. Ni hindi nyo nga alam kung sino ipapalit niyo kay GMA eh.

Some say they want De Castro, the Black and White movement (lame brains) say they don’t like De Castro (they advocate GMA and Noli to resign), some say it should be Puno, some say Erap, some say they don’t even know who to replace GMA with but they want her out.

If you want to be revolutionaries don’t hide behind your blogs and computers. Go out and wield a weapon and attack Malacanang if you are real people like Mao Zedong, Che Guevarra or Ayatollah Khomeini and not a bunch of URKLEs in that show Saved by the Bell. What a bunch of posers and wussy geeks these are na nag-ngangangawa sa blogs. A bunch of whining crybaby CONYO-english speaking (saying "now na", "now naman") computer geeks clearly cannot defeat GMA and her forces.

Tamo si Trillanes naniwala na susuportahan siya ng mga "e-mandirigma" pero ano nangyari? Busy sila sa kaka "blog" at kagagawa ng mga photoshop collage na naglalagay kay Trillanes sa Philippine flag at may mga corning motto.

GMA will remain in power no matter what. The "opposition" people are clueless and have their own agendas which makes their ranks broken and weak.

Imagine they even say:

"kung edsa 2 napabagsak natin thru SMS now, naman.
the president web 2.0 brought down, the president blogging brought down,
the first president social media brought down" -daveQ

Yeah, right. Imagine a bunch of bloggers and e-mail forwarders facing the PSG? The PSG and PNP will jut laugh and GMA will just send in her janitors to chase the "e-mandirigma" away with brooms. 

[Ok, can you imagine that despite its patronizing tone, I believed its word had some merits? But yeah, I actually wanted it to further its stance. But, of course, when I read its long-winded tirade (which I won’t post here, God bless me) to those who challenged its view I felt dejected, because it was really juvenile. My comments are in boldface, Troll’s in italics.]

Me: Sasabihan mo ang mga tao na lame sila dahil nag ba-blog swarm sila, eh ikaw ano naman ginagawa mo? Blogging (anonymously pa ha) about how lame these bloggers are. Somehow the irony has escaped you.

Also, ang galing mong gumamit ng personal attacks sa mga tao, as if naman kilala mo sila sa tunay na buhay. I seem to recall personal attacks making people cases more credible when debating? *rolleyes*

Geez, ano, matapang ka dahil anonymous ka? Under the veil of anonymity people sure have the courage to say a lot of things. Doesn’t that knowledge make the entire civilization feel warm inside? *sniff*

Troll: Isa pa itong ssssslow. Di mo naisip na kaya ako nag register dito para makapag comment lang. Since may "blog" feature di pinost ko na rin pero di ako tulad nyo na sulat ng sulat ng mga walang kakuwenta kuwentang basura na ginugugulan nyo ng panahon na sayang lang imbes na gamitin sa mga bagay na ikauunland ng pilipinas. Itong ginagawa ko kaunting oras lang ito. Di tulad nyo talagang sobra kayo magsayang ng oras. Blogswarm blogswarm pa kayo di naman yan makaka apekto kay GMA. Kahit sampung taon pa kayo mag blogswarm baduy naman yan. Mga baduy din ang mauuto nyan at ang mga baduy, mga mahihinang klase yan kaya hindi kayo uubra sa mga mauutak gaya ni GMA.

Me: Slow? Um maybe you want to take a look at yourself before you go around accusing others, because 1. wala akong sinasabi na mabuti ang blogswarming 2. ang isyu na ninanais kong pag-isipan mo ay IBANG-IBA sa anong blogswarm-blogswarm na kalokohan na yan.

Eto po yung tanong ko sa iyo: ano ba ang punto mong mag-pintas ng blogswarming eh ikaw mismo nagpapaka-anonymous? Diba ikaw ang nagsabi ng "If you want to be revolutionaries don’t hide behind your blogs and computers." This is true, actually, which is why I direct that statement to you: ano naman ginagawa mo? YOU’RE JUST FREAKING HIDING BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER TOO (and much worse, other’s blog)!

FYI kilala ko si jen, and she isn’t someone who hides behind her blog. Just so you know she is very much involved sa mga proyekto ng gobyerno, na punong puno ng kalokohan. Di ba parang napaka-assuming mo?

Atsaka pwede ba tanggalin mo ang pagpe-personalan mo? Baduy at showbiz eh, corny pa, at bakla-han din. Kaya po tayong mag-dibati ng objective, po?

Magbasa ka muna ha. Hindi po mahirap iyon.

Troll: Ay ang slow nga talaga ni nightdreamer. Di ko naman gusto maging rebolusyonaryo eh. Gusto ko lang sabihin na itong mga taong ito nagsasayang lang ng panahon at oras nila sabay lumilikha pa ng annoyances para sa mga ibang tao sa pamamagitan ng kanilang ingay. Wala akong pakialam kung sino yang si jen at lalo na ikaw na alam ko naman na walang kuwenta. Gusto ko lang mag express ng aking saloobin. Hunghang.

Me: Ano ba, personalan pa rin. Hahaha. Apparently, you can’t grasp the concept of a good debate. Hunghang.

Here’s a dour fact of life: lahat ng tao sa internet ay kasing "walang kwenta", period. Your opinion, my opinion, jen’s opinion matters as much here as a drunkard’s, or someone who brushes the teeth of horses, or someone who kisses GMA’s ass. It so happen, many equally pointless people share a common belief, and when that happens you have to start wondering if the belief has any merit. If you’re into thinking, which I so believe you are into, this belief is something you will take considerable time reflecting on.

Pero, kamo, kino-contradict mo ang sarili mo. Anong "Di ko naman gusto maging rebolusyonaryo eh." What tha…? Eh anong ginagawa mo? Alam mo ba anong ibig sabihin ng "rebolusyonaryo?" It means you want radical change, and YOU, yes, YOU, are in for this radical change of the e-mandirigma trend. You are counter-current. You are counter-cultural. You HAVE a POINT. That makes you "rebolusyonaryo", think about it!

Unfortunately, ang hina ng stance mo because of all your hypocrisies (anonymity ek ek), which until now you still haven’t addressed. THis is why no one pays you any respect, and no one is likely to listen to you.

It’s like you don’t know the first thing about political punditry. Try to keep up, btw.

Samuel Jackson of political bloggers entered: Hahaha m-f- tongue on a m-f- wrath! Unang napikon, talo! Name calling na, wala pang kwenta iyan ha?

Me: Yeah, the ad hominem is so inane, it’s almost poetry/postmodern.

Troll: unang napikon si nightdreamer so talo na sya. hahahahaha.

Me: You don’t want to push my snark button, believe me.

Ooh napikon daw ako! Picture me banging my head on my keyboard. I wonder why it’s my speech that are more comprehensible than yours then.

Oh "hahaha panalo ako" but what a trite remark. yawn it’s the same old "I’m so getting at you" schtick. I’ve seen it all before, from people way better in debating than you are. I wonder if that’s all you can come up with. I miss your "ssslow" though; I would’ve spelled it zzzlow for added drama.

And why are you evading the issue I presented? Pro-GMA lots sure are good at dodging issues, aren’t they?

I pity you. I want to make your stance more legitimate and less inane. I want it to be more well-thought because any ideas, whether pro-or-anti-blogswarm, matures when thought of very deeply. When both issues are in fair grounds people are compelled to think deeper on either. And what do you do instead of bolstering your cause? Toss around boring, keyboard-slapping moronic personal attacks.

In the meantime, report on whether or not you, an anonymous poster, are relevant, is still pending. But you will answer this, legend has it.


Posted by nightdreamer at 2:46 pm | permalink

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my dear kris, refer to these awesome tips on internet debating:

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Posted by liz at March 5, 2008, 6:43 pm

Haha I am actually on the verge of using those tactics (which I think I am considerably seasoned with) seeing as to how that troll is hellbent on being stupid. But I when I diss, I aim more to be everything that post describe PLUS posting something either too deep or too inane it makes my opponent feel inadequate and stupid.

I know, not a very modest comment, this one. Hahaha

Posted by nightdreamer at March 5, 2008, 9:04 pm

Woohoo, way to go kris. He/she/it/they deserve it.

I’d consider Samuel Jackson a complement (but not Eddie Murphy), heheh.

****
btw, any chance of seeing you guys on ANC soon?

Posted by Tongue's Wrath at March 6, 2008, 11:55 am

More like “he/she/it/they deserve wit”

huh who, me, on ANC? What for?

Really, you remind me a bit of Samuel Jackson.

Posted by nightdreamer at March 6, 2008, 11:58 am

hihihihi!!! ang haba ng debate sa comments sa blog nung ms. jen!!! natatawa ako dun sa ara!!! pang pelikula ang drama! oh well..kanya-kanyang opinion lang yan! cheers! :D

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Posted by nightdreamer at March 6, 2008, 2:13 pm

Hi kris!

invite mo naman si ara dito hehehe…

hi cai,

jen nalang. wag na ms. jen hehe…pinapatanda mo naman ako eh hehehe

Posted by jen at March 7, 2008, 11:29 am

Ayoko nga. :P

Posted by nightdreamer at March 7, 2008, 11:31 am

Kris, I finally got to have a real serious debate with a sane and reasonable stranger on the Internet!

See:

http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=2328

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